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1. CASTLE (ABC)
2. HIMYM (CBS)
+ CHUCK (NBC)
Everything else has ended, cancelled, or has not begun yet.
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WARNING: This post contains slight SPOILERS
1.”To Everything there is a Season,” which was written on the sign outside the church in S6’s “Big Days,” could easily be a reference to Barney and Robin because of the whole theme of timing on the show and in their relationship (Robin telling Ted that “if you have chemistry you only need one other thing – timing, but timing’s a bitch” in S7’s “The Best Man;” in the S7 episode “Tick Tick Tick” when Barney is rejected by Robin, Ted tells his kids that Barney said that that moment was the second that would never end for him). Barney and Robin’s timing is just not right at the moment, but, in the end, it will be right and it will finally be their season. It is not a question of will they ever get back together, but when. Also, the writers said Season 5 wasn’t B/R’s time to be together because they weren’t ready for a serious relationship, but, maybe in the future, if they grew up a bit, they could be ready, thus finally making Season 8 the season for a B/R relationship. (Source)
2. Robin asked Ted to be her best man in S6’s “False Positive.” In S7’s “The Best Man,” when Lily comes into the room where Ted and Barney are, she tells Ted that the bride needs to see him — this to me was a direct response to Robin saying that when she gets married she’ll need Ted to calm her down when she freaks out b/c no matter who she is marrying, she will freak out.
3. Robin’s sundress is white (like a wedding dress) in S6’s “Big Days” when Barney talks about the season of sundresses being over.
4. Robin is not shown in the wedding flash forward.
5. Lily looks like she is wearing a bridesmaid’s dress in the wedding flash forward. She is Robin’s best female friend (prime bridesmaid material).
6. In S6’s “Big Days,” Narrator Ted says there are two big days in any love story: the day you meet the woman of your dreams and the day you marry her. Ted chose the day he and Barney met Robin as the point at which to begin his “how I met your mother” story to his kids. We know Ted meets his wife the day of Barney’s wedding, which I think will be the last episode of the show. With Robin as Barney’s bride, the show would come full circle, thereby explaining why Ted started the story with Barney and him meeting Robin. (Barney meets the woman of his dreams – Robin – on the first episode of the show and marries her on the final episode, the same episode on which Ted meets the woman of his dreams.) Also, in S4’s “Benefits,” Barney referred to Robin as the girl of his dreams.
7. In S6’s “Challenge Accepted,” the street Barney and Robin are walking as the episode reaches its end had set decorations that point to them being endgame: the cigar store (they smoke cigars together throughout the series) and the bus stop with the bus in the background (Barney was hit by a bus in S3’s “Miracles” when he saw Robin as everything he loved). During this scene, Nora wears a sundress like Robin did in S6’s “Big Days,” but, unlike Robin, her dress isn’t white; and Nora says to Barney that “It’s never too late,” which applies to B/R because they decided not to get back together in order to not run back to the past; this statement also goes with the whole theme of timing with B/R. Also, Robin’s facial expression at the end reveals that she still has feelings for Barney, which I think was meant to be a parallel to Barney’s facial expression in S3’s “Miracles” when we realized that Barney was in love with Robin. I think all of these things indicate Robin as the bride b/c this show talks a lot about the universe giving out signs to tell someone what to do. In that scene, I think the universe was trying to tell Barney and Robin that they belong together and should get back together.
8. Barney’s soul mate montage of Robin in S7’s “Tick Tick Tick” shows how no one else can compare to her and how he can’t wait to spend the rest of his life with her. Barney pictures Robin as Nora’s dad says, “When you meet the right person you know it. You can’t stop thinking about them. They’re your best friend and your soul mate. You can’t wait to spend the rest of your life with them. No one and nothing else can compare.” The writers picked very strong words to describe how Barney sees Robin, so I can’t understand why they would do this if they didn’t intend for them to end up together.
9. In S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” Narrator Ted says that “To this day Barney and Robin swear that this is the song they danced to that night.” I think this indicates that they still tell this story together and quite frequently, even 20 years later. Why would they be telling this story if they ended up with different people? I think this is supposed to be taken as a hint that they end up together.
10. In S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” Barney says to Robin “What if this whole thing isn’t the story of how we both made a horrible mistake and ruined our relationships? What if it’s actually the story of … how we got back together?” I think the writers phrased Barney’s line that way for a reason and it was intentional on their parts that it paralleled how Ted tells his story to his children in the future. I think that Barney is right and that future Ted is telling his kids the story of how Barney and Robin got back together, of which this episode is a part.
11. In S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” Narrator Ted says this about Barney when Robin rejects him: “Sometimes hours can feel like minutes; and sometimes a single second can last a lifetime. For Barney the second that would never end was this one.” I think it is important to note that Future Ted knows about this moment in Barney’s life and how Barney felt about it, whereas Present Ted has no idea yet that Barney and Robin cheated with each other. Obviously, Ted will find out about the cheating at some point in order for him to include it in his story. And, Barney will have to be the one to describe to Ted how he felt about it. I think the way Future Ted describes how Barney feels in that second is very romanticized. I can only see Barney one day telling Ted about how he felt during that second if he and Robin end up together. Barney, Robin, Ted, and others, would consider it proof as to why B/R belong together if Barney felt that heartbroken. Otherwise, I think Barney would have kept the events surrounding him cheating with Robin and how he felt to himself, especially if he and Robin are to remain friends in the future. I think it would be too awkward for Barney, Robin, and their significant others to ever bring up this cheating episode and how it affected them again. It would be something they would rather forget about and never mention again to anyone, not even Ted.
12. Robin tells an oblivious Barney that she “can’t shake this feeling that” they “belong together” in the S7 premiere episode “The Best Man.” Again, I think this is pretty strong wording if they don’t end up together. Why make Robin voice her belief that she and Barney belong together if it doesn’t eventually lead somewhere?
13. In the S7 episode “The Best Man,” Lily tells Robin that B/R have the type of chemistry that just doesn’t go away. If Barney and Robin lose this chemistry and marry other people, why would the writers have Lily say this to Robin? I think this is a hint that Barney and Robin end up together and that they will still be married in the year 2030 when Ted is telling his kids the story of how he met their mother. Since Barney and Robin have the type of chemistry that doesn’t go away, it’s just a matter of time until they get back together.
14. There has to be a reason Ted saw Barney sadly picking up the flowers and blowing out the candles in Robin’s bedroom in S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” even if Ted doesn’t remember it right now or thinks that it was just a drug-induced hallucination. When he does eventually remember what he saw, I think it will convince him that Barney is still in love with Robin and thus, in S7’s “The Best Man,” he would believe Barney “nailed it” in picking the “right tie” (i.e., Robin).
15. In S7’s “The Best Man,” when Barney and Ted are discussing if Barney picked the right tie Ted says to Barney that “at least it’s not the ducky tie” and Barney agrees. I think the ducky tie is a metaphor for women who Barney dated that are not Robin. Barney wore the ducky tie the whole time he dated Nora and the night he took it off in S7’s “Disaster Averted” he made out and slept with Robin. In the Atlantic City flash forward seen in S7’s “The Naked Truth” Barney is wearing the ducky tie again and I think that will correspond to him dating a new bride candidate.
*** Barney is going to get a new serious love interest later this season named Quinn (played by “Ugly Betty” star Becki Newton). (Source) I think once Barney starts dating Quinn, he will have to wear the ducky tie again for some reason. He’ll start wearing it when he and Quinn start getting serious and he’ll stop wearing it when it’s clear that Quinn isn’t Barney’s “the One.” ***
16. Robin wore a yellow raincoat in S7’s “Disaster Averted,” which could symbolize Barney’s “the One” b/c it would parallel how the mother is symbolized by a yellow umbrella and we know that she is Ted’s “the One.” We’ve long been made to equate a yellow umbrella with Ted’s wife. It seems like it’s more than a coincidence that Robin is dressed in a raincoat (that, like an umbrella, keeps one dry on a rainy day) that is the same shade of bright yellow as the mother’s umbrella. Yellow rainy day items = a bride/wife, and here’s Robin in a yellow raincoat in the season where one of the big questions is “who is Barney’s bride?” We also know that it’s raining on Barney’s wedding day, the day Ted meets his future wife with her yellow umbrella. So, a yellow rainy day item is related to Barney’s wedding day as well. roxy_1991 also pointed out in the comments that while Robin wears a bright yellow raincoat in that “Disaster Averted” scene, everyone else is decked out in drab colors, making Robin stand out. I also agree with what spikesaa had to say: “They have associated the Mother (Ted’s one) with the yellow umbrella, so having Robin in a yellow raincoat (not a typical look for her) during the scene that helped start the events leading to Barney’s ‘Robin is the One’ epiphany [in S7’s “Tick Tick Tick”] could very well be a subtle hint.” Keep in mind that the writers have used costumes and props as hints before. For example, Barney wore a boutonnière in S6’s “Glitter,” which is something a groom often wears on his wedding day; then in S6’s “Challenge Accepted” he was revealed to be the mystery groom. I wouldn’t put it past this show to go this same route and give a hint about who the bride is through her clothing. It would be interesting to see the script for S7’s “Disaster Averted” b/c I suspect the script might instruct that Robin wear a yellow raincoat, not a black one or a pink one, but a yellow one. manda600 said that “Robin is also wearing yellow, the symbolic color of “The One,” in [S4’s] “The Leap,” the episode where Barney and Robin finally get together.” I don’t know if Robin wearing yellow in that scene was supposed to have significance at the time, but I think if Robin is Barney’s bride (aka his “the one”) that color choice has plenty of retroactive significance when looking back at it.
17. In S7’s “Disaster Averted,” Barney tells Robin that if he lets a day go by without talking to her, that day is just no good. Again, the writers chose to have Barney tell Robin how he feels about her with very strong wording. I think Barney’s statement shows that if he was to marry anyone it would be Robin b/c he doesn’t like to go a day without talking to her. If he married her, he wouldn’t have to and all his days would be good days.
18. In S6’s “Hopeless,” Jerry tells Barney that getting married is a challenge, but Barney needs to meet the right girl and, who knows, maybe he will meet her tomorrow. Barney says, “Maybe I met her already.” This could have been a reference to either Robin or Nora, but now that Nora is out of the picture and Barney saw Robin as his soul mate, I think the writers were referring to Robin. In the end, viewers can look back on that episode and think Barney was right, and, best of all, he had met Robin on the very first episode where Ted started his story. Anyone Barney meets now would contradict his statement that maybe he met the right girl already, unless he gets a new love interest who is established as somebody Barney knew before saying that line.
19. In S6’s “Big Days” when Ted is worried about his best man toast, he seems really nervous and stressed out. He tells Marshall that he wants the speech to be perfect and he wants the whole day to be perfect too. I don’t think he’d be feeling like that if it weren’t two of his best friends getting married. We know Ted cries during his best man toasts b/c either the wedding falls on the worst times of Ted’s life or b/c he is genuinely happy. I think for a B/R wedding he would cry both types of tears because he would be happy for his friends, but also sad that he 1) is the only single one left in the group, and 2) he is losing his back-up wife, Robin.
20. In S7’s “The Best Man,” Ted mentions their age-40 marriage pact to Robin, which was first established in S4’s “The Front Porch.” Why would the writers bring this up again after 3 years have gone by if Robin is not Barney’s bride and Ted would not be losing his back-up wife?
21. In S7’s “The Ducky Tie,” Victoria tells Ted that “There is a reason it didn’t work out between you and me. But it’s not Germany. It’s Robin. She is so much bigger in your world than you realize and this thing that you’re all doing— you and Barney and Robin— where the three of you hang out at the bar, night in, night out, like you’re all just buddies, that doesn’t work. Trust me. I’m right about this.” (Notice that Victoria mentions Barney, not just Robin and Ted.) Then Future Ted says, “And sure enough, she was right. It didn’t work. We just didn’t realize it yet.” While Victoria may think it’s Ted and Robin that don’t work, Future Ted knows she’s wrong; his friendship with Robin works just fine in the present and in the future. Nonetheless, Future Ted can still agree with her statement because she included Barney in it. Future Ted knows that it was the Barney and Robin being only “buddies” that didn’t work because their feelings went deeper than friendship. If it doesn’t work, then either this means Barney and Robin are no longer friends in 2030 (since we know both are still friends with Narrator Ted in 2030, so he’s obviously not the issue) or Barney and Robin are more than friends by 2030. Narrator Ted would also think Robin played a big part in his world b/c it was at her wedding where he met “The Mother.” Robin getting engaged to Barney will probably make Ted realize that he has been subconsciously holding back in his search to find his “the one” b/c Robin is his back-up wife. He needs to let Robin go in order to be open to finding his “the one” aka “The Mother.”
22. In S7’s “Symphony of Illumination,” Robin pictures a future with Barney as the father of her two imaginary teenage children. I think it is a crucial clue to Barney and Robin’s future together because, like Barney’s soul mate montage in S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” I think Robin’s fantasy shows that she wants to spend the rest of her life with Barney. She imagined Barney – and only Barney – as the father of any hypothetical children she may have had. She didn’t picture Kevin, Crush guy, Ted, Don, etc., she pictured Barney. I think this shows that Robin is still in love with Barney and wants a future with him. They don’t need to have children to be together. Plus, future Ted never said that Barney goes on to have kids. So, Barney and Robin can marry and be child-free without contradicting anything done or said before on the show.
23. In S5’s “Last Cigarette Ever,” Narrator Ted states that Robin quits smoking in June of 2013. I think this will be around the time of the series finale and, most likely, Barney’s wedding. I think her quitting smoking then is connected to Robin being the bride.
24. The writers said that they never intended Barney to get married when they started the show. I think seeing the chemistry between the characters of Barney and Robin made them change their minds, and the only reason they decided for him to get hitched was so he could end up with Robin and not just some random chick. (Source)
25. Craig Thomas stated back in S3 that “there will never be a more perfect woman for Barney than Robin.” I don’t think he would have Barney marry anyone other than Robin if this is what he thinks. (Source)
26. For all seven seasons we have never seen a real flash forward of Barney or Robin like we have of the other characters. We have no idea who they end up with in the future, so the writers could have them end up together without contradicting anything said or shown already within the show. I don’t think the flash forward that showed the gang ten years later in S6’s “The Exploding Meatball Sub” is real. I think it is just one of those fake scenes that is a joke rather than serious, such as Barney beating up his Canadian self in S7’s “The Slutty Pumpkin Returns,” Lily on the roof of Marshall’s rental car after drinking all of that Tantrum in S5’s “Duel Citizenship,” and Marshall cutting the turkey with a lightsaber 3 to 5 Thanksgiving’s after S4’s “The Fight.”
27. The writers have said that this season they’re “going to get into why Ted decided to start the series telling his kids about how he met Robin” and why she is so important to his story. Craig Thomas said in an interview that “The way [Ted] started this entire story was: ‘I met a girl at a bar.’ And it was Robin. She’s very important in his life and to the series. In many ways, I view this season as a Robin season. We’re going to remember as a series how important she is and that there’s a reason he’s telling this story.” I think that points to Robin being Barney’s bride b/c Ted meets the mother at her wedding, explaining why Ted started the story on the day he and Barney met Robin. The bride reveal will happen this season. If it is Robin, it would explain why she is so important to Ted’s story. (Source) & (Source)
28. The show has had trouble in the past with guest stars leaving the show before the writers intended, resulting in them needing to make changes. For instance, Robin’s Crush could not come back for S7, so the writers came up with a whole new love interest for her: Kevin. Another example is Robin’s dad being recast later in the series. Situations like these have happened multiple times, so I can’t see the show making Barney’s bride a guest star due to the fear she might not want to continue on the show. Therefore, I see Barney’s bride being a regular, which would only work if the bride is Robin.
29. In S4’s “Mosbius Designs,” Marshall tells Barney that he and Lily think Barney and Robin are perfect for each other. Earlier in the episode, Barney says that Robin is “the greatest woman on the planet.” Later on in the episode, Robin tells Ted that her ideal man can be described as “smart, funny, passionate, and challenging,” which I think describes Barney perfectly. In S5’s “Twin Beds,” Barney reads a letter he wrote to Future Barney. In the letter, Barney tells his future self to get back together with Robin. These examples, among many other things said and done on the show throughout the entire series, makes me think Robin has to be Barney’s bride, especially if the writers never intended Barney to get married when they originally conceived of the show.
30. In the S6 episode “Subway Wars,” Narrator Ted says that “To this day, Barney won’t admit” that he helped Robin win the race. Why does future Ted want Barney to admit to Robin that he helped her win the race? I think this moment for Ted is evidence that Robin is Barney’s “the one.” Ted has witnessed many instances where Barney showed how much he selflessly and truly loves Robin, even without Robin realizing the things he does for her.
31. In the S6 episode “Baby Talk,” Barney says that he didn’t feel needed when he and Robin dated, but that is a compliment b/c she is “the most amazing, strong, independent woman he has ever banged.” This is in contrast to Ted who disliked that Robin didn’t make him feel needed when they were dating. I think this shows that Barney loves Robin unconditionally and for whom she truly is; he doesn’t feel the need to change her or wish that she was less independent in order to make himself feel needed in the relationship. This shows that a relationship between Barney and Robin could work out long-term b/c Barney actually likes things about her that her other love interests didn’t seem to like about her. Barney’s acceptance of Robin’s independence would go well with what we know future Robin to be: a world traveler (S2’s “Something Blue” and S7’s “Symphony of Illumination”). He would feel comfortable with Robin traveling the world alone if her career required it, but who is to say he doesn’t go with her? We don’t know what Barney is doing in the future, other than the fact that he does get married, which could be to Robin. And Narrator Ted did say that Robin was never alone in S7’s “Symphony of Illumination.” Maybe Barney travels with her.
32. In S1’s “Slutty Pumpkin,” Ted tells Robin that she hasn’t met the right Hansel yet and someday she is going to meet a guy that is going to make her want to look like a complete idiot. Then in S7’s “The Slutty Pumpkin Returns,” Robin decides to dress up for Halloween for the first time. She wears a Canadian-themed costume (hockey player) which goes with the costume she picked out for Barney to wear (Canadian Mounty). She was willing to dress up as a couple and look like a complete idiot for Barney.
33. Barney finds out he is a quarter Canadian in S7’s “The Slutty Pumpkin Returns.” Back in S3’s “Little Boys,” he thought Robin’s only “but” was that she was Canadian. Now that he knows he’s also part Canadian, that kind of cancels out what he thinks is Robin’s one “but.”
34. In S7’s “The Slutty Pumpkin Returns,” Ted and the Slutty Pumpkin discover they have zero chemistry even though they finally got the timing right, finding each other after all these years. This is the opposite of Barney and Robin who can’t seem to get the timing right, but have a lot of chemistry (which Lily commented on in S7’s “The Best Man”). I think it is only a matter of time until they finally do get their timing right, thus revealing Robin as the bride.
35. The writers said they didn’t break for summer hiatus after S6 so they could write and plan S7’s premiere and four November sweeps episodes that had to do with Barney and Robin and would be directly connected to the finale.
This makes me think Barney’s bride has to be Robin. If anyone else is the bride, I think they would have spent more time writing episodes involving her and not episodes involving Robin.
36. Back in S5, Craig Thomas said this about the B/R breakup: “I think these are two people who are not ready to be in a couple. I never look at those two as done, because they’re so amazing together. But I don’t think it would have been emotionally true to those characters to have them suddenly move in and get engaged. But hopefully we’ll have some more seasons to the show.” This quote was before the whole wedding mystery started in S6, so I think when they came up with Ted meeting the mother at Barney’s wedding, they meant for Barney’s bride to be Robin. This quote also makes me think of the sign in S6’s “Big Days,” which says, “To Everything there is a Season,” b/c Barney and Robin were not emotionally ready to be in a couple together in S5, but in a later season they will be, which I think will be S8. (Source)
37. In S4’s “The Leap,” Barney tells Ted about a beautiful Canadian suit that equates to Robin and Ted gives Barney his blessing to reveal his feelings to her. Then in S7’s “The Best Man,” Barney asks Ted if he chose the “right tie” and Ted tells him he “nailed it.” I think this is supposed to be a call-back to that earlier scene in S4; I believe in both scenes they are talking about Robin. It is possible that they are talking about another woman as the “right tie,” but I really don’t think that is the case b/c I can’t see Ted telling Barney he “nailed it” if it was anyone other than Robin. Ted has witnessed many moments throughout the series that make me believe that he knows Barney will never love anyone as much as he loves Robin, leading Ted to think of Robin as Barney’s “right tie.”
38. In S6’s “Hopeless,” Barney said what he thought his dad would say if he knew he had a single female friend: “Why don’t you marry Robin? You two were cute together. Deep down, you know you were never happier than when you were with her.” Barney’s dad had not met Robin nor did he know they dated, so he wouldn’t say this at this point; what Barney said is really what Barney feels and believes. If he was the happiest he had ever been in his life while dating Robin, I can’t see the writers making him marry someone else. I just feel like this and many other statements Barney and the other characters have made throughout the years are too strong of statements for it to be believable that Barney would marry anyone other than Robin.
39. HIMYM’s seasons all have a storyline that needs to be resolved by the end of the season. These storylines are introduced in the premiere episode of a season and are finally resolved by the season finale. In S1, Ted wants to date Robin, but Robin doesn’t want to date him; also, Marshall and Lily get engaged. By the end of the season, Robin and Ted start dating and Lily calls off her engagement to Marshall. In S2, Ted and Robin are dating and Marshall is sad over his failed engagement, but, by the end of the season, Ted and Robin have broken up and Marshall and Lily get married. In S3, Ted gets a butterfly tramp stamp and, by the end of the season, he asks Stella (whom he met when getting the tattoo removed) to marry him. In S4, Barney wants to tell Robin how he feels about her, but doesn’t. By S4’s finale, he does tell her and they get together. S5 is the only season that didn’t have a theme or story arc b/c every episode was pretty much a stand-alone episode. In S6, Marshall and Lily are trying to have a baby, but Marshall’s dad is too involved; we also find out Ted meets the mother at a mystery wedding “a little ways down the road.” By the end of the season, Marshall, who is depressed that his dad died, gets some good news when Lily tells him she is pregnant; we also learn the mystery wedding belongs to Barney, but the bride’s identity is a mystery. Also in the finale, we see Robin’s feelings for Barney have resurfaced despite his sights being set on Nora. In the S7 premiere, Robin still has feelings for Barney and tries to tell him, but is interrupted by Nora’s phone call to Barney. Robin tells Ted “that if you have chemistry, you only need one other thing – timing, but timing’s a bitch” after Narrator Ted stated in the beginning of the episode that the theme of his story is timing and how timing is everything. Also, the bride wants to see Ted in the flash forward. Now, if this is like any other season, then I say that Barney and Robin will finally get their timing right and get back together, and that when Ted goes to see the bride in the flash forward, she’ll be revealed to be Robin.
40. The writers said Ted will be dealing with women whom he sees as “loose ends” or “what if” girls whom he has to move on from before he meets the Mother. So far, he has run into Victoria and the Slutty Pumpkin. Victoria is engaged now and the Slutty Pumpkin and Ted had no chemistry together, so now he can finally let them go as potential “the Ones.” Robin is still a “loose end” for Ted. This is because he may be subconsciously holding on to the hope that they will end up together. In S5’s “Twin Beds,” Ted reads a letter his past self wrote trying to convince his future self not to get back together with Robin. The letter said, “Dear Ted, Robin is the perfect girl for you, but she doesn’t want to be in a serious relationship. You need someone who wants to settle down. So until Robin is ready for that next step, she’s not your girl.” He probably thought that if Robin changed her mind about marriage and kids, he would be her first choice, like Robin said in S4’s “Shelter Island.” They also have a marriage pact established in S4’s “The Front Porch.” Ted needs to let Robin go as his back-up wife in order for him to truly move on from her. I think she has to be Barney’s bride so she is completely off the table for Ted as a potential option for his “The One.” (Source)
41. I think Ted’s story in S8 would make the most sense if Robin is Barney’s bride b/c the B/R relationship will allow for a lot of angst for Ted. He will be losing his back-up wife. Add to this the reason Ted and Robin broke up was b/c she didn’t want a life-long commitment. She didn’t want to get married or have kids, but now she wants to commit with Barney. I think this would make Ted a bit bitter b/c he was the one who wanted to settle down all those years ago. If his two commitment phobic friends (Barney and Robin) are getting married to each other, he’ll be the only single one in the group: something painful for him to accept.
42. I think when the writers started thinking about an ending to the show they looked at what they’d already done throughout the series and how that could connect to Ted meeting the Mother. I think they came to the realization that they spent a lot of time on the B/R relationship throughout the series. Even though they didn’t intend for B/R to end up together in the beginning, I think they started thinking about why Ted would tell his kids all about that relationship if it wasn’t connected to him meeting the Mother. Also, why have Ted so upset about Barney hooking up with Robin the first time in S3’s “The Goat” if it doesn’t have anything to do with the Mother story? Even though they didn’t initially plan on this being important to the Mother story later, I think it makes sense now to see Ted this upset over that incident. Why? Because, in the end, Ted will be glad the B/R hookup happened if he meets the Mother at Barney and Robin’s wedding. Also, why spend more than a season showing Barney pining for Robin? And why revisit the feelings between Barney and Robin again if it ultimately goes nowhere? I don’t think it is b/c the writers want Barney to move on from Robin now that they decided they want him to get married. I just don’t see him marrying anyone but Robin. It just wouldn’t make sense after all that has happened throughout the years to have Barney marry someone other than Robin.
43. Craig Thomas said Barney will get married that day; he doesn’t run away from it (Source). He also said the wedding will be a big day for the entire group (Source). I think both these statements point to Robin being Barney’s bride. I can’t see Barney going through with the wedding if the bride isn’t Robin. Since we know he does go through with it, I think Robin has to be the bride, especially if the writers never intended Barney to get married when they started the show. As for the wedding being a big day for the entire group, I think it will be if Barney is the groom, Robin is the bride, Ted is both Barney’s and Robin’s best man, Lily is Robin’s maid of honor, Marshall is a groomsmen or co-best man for Barney, and Ted meets the mother at their wedding that day. Lily also seems to be a mediator or middle-man for both the groom and the bride in informing Ted when one of them wants to see him (S6’s “Big Days” and S7’s “The Best Man”). Ted seems exhausted like he has been running back and forth all day between the two of them. In S6’s “Big Days,” Marshall tells Ted he needs to relax when Ted shows his nerves through peeling his beer bottle. Ted tells Marshall that he wants the day to be perfect and Marshall reassures Ted that it will be. I think Ted seems too stressed out for someone only worried about getting Barney down the aisle. I think he feels the extra pressure of getting Robin down the aisle as well, since he’s her best man too. Robin warned Ted in S6’s “False Positive” that she will freak out on her wedding day and she could really use someone like Ted to get her down that aisle.
44. In S6’s “Challenge Accepted,” right before Barney is revealed to be the groom, Ted says, “I heard the groom needed me.” I think that line was phrased very carefully. I think Ted states it that way b/c he could have been summoned to either the groom or the bride since he is best man to both. After saying, “Best man, you’re being summoned” to Ted in S6’s “Big Days,” Lily must have told Ted inside the church that it was specifically the groom who needed to see him.
45. In S7’s “The Best Man,” when Lily tells Ted that the bride wants to see him, Barney doesn’t react at all like this is out of the ordinary; he is unfazed. He just keeps fixing his tie in the dressing room’s mirror. I think his reaction points to Robin being the bride b/c Barney knows that Ted is one of Robin’s closest friends, so of course she might want to see him on her wedding day. If Ted is also Robin’s best man, it would make sense for her to want to see him, especially if she is having wedding day jitters just like Barney. If the bride isn’t Robin, Barney would probably be somewhat curious as to why she’d want to see Ted. I don’t think Barney is nervous about choosing between two women on his wedding day. Instead, I think he is wondering if he would have been happier with his old playboy life vs. his new committed relationship life. I think when the actual wedding day arrives on the show this scenario will be shown to be true b/c I can’t see Barney having any doubts about his love for Robin, especially since he realized Robin is truly the right woman for him as witnessed in the S7 episode “Tick Tick Tick.”
46. Craig Thomas and Carter Bays said Marshall and Lily’s baby would be a catalyst for the other characters in their thinking about where they see themselves in the future, if they will have kids, and who will that be with (Source). S7’s “Symphony of Illumination” revealed that Robin is unable to have kids and never became a mother, but, when she pictured her future, it was with Barney. *** The writers said they have the last two minutes of the finale already written (part of which will take place in the present when M/L’s baby is born and part of which will take place at the future wedding). The future wedding bit must be when the bride is finally revealed (Source).*** I think Barney and Robin will decide to get back together b/c the birth of M/L’s baby gets Robin to finally open up to Barney about not being able to have kids, and Barney will tell her that that doesn’t matter to him. I think he would choose Robin over having kids any day and this will trigger them to get back together…cue flash forward bride reveal of Robin; B/R finally got their timing right.
47. Barney says “New is always better” is his oldest rule which makes it the best. I think this rule doesn’t mean that Barney’s new girlfriends are better than the relationship he had with Robin, but, instead, it might be referring to the fact that if he got back together with Robin, his new relationship with her would be better than their old one. Their new relationship would be a healthier one since they would now know how to better communicate with one another and avoid those awful fights they used to have when they were a couple. In the past, Barney has always let his rules and codes go out the window in regard to Robin; she is his one exception. He broke the Bro Code (S3’s “The Goat”) and his Gremlins rules (S5’s “Definitions”) for her. He ate breakfast with her in his apartment (S5’s “Bagpipes”). He told her she wasn’t just another number to him unlike all his conquests (S5’s “Of Course”). He doesn’t care that Robin is over 30 years old. The list goes on. If Barney meant this “New is always better” rule as a rule to not run back to the past, I can see him breaking this rule for Robin. He also never wanted to get married (S2’s “Single Stamina”), but he changed his mind about that. I can see him changing his mind on his “New is always better” rule, marrying Robin, and enjoying a new committed relationship with Robin that is better than his old one with her. [Side note: Barney doesn’t really hold to the “New is always better” rule anyway. It’s his oldest rule, which he claims makes it his best. If Barney really buys into the “New is always better” rule, he wouldn’t think it’s his best rule since it’s his oldest.]
48. The writers said that S7 is going to be a very Robin-centric season (Source). So far it has been a very heavy Barney-and-Robin-centric season, especially during November Sweeps. This makes me think that Robin needs to get her life in order (so she isn’t the self-proclaimed mess we have been seeing this season) before she gets back together with Barney at season’s end and before she’s revealed as the bride in the season finale’s flash forward. In the commentary for S6’s “Big Days,” Craig Thomas and Carter Bays said S6 was a very emotional season for Lily and Marshall. They also said the couple was the main focus of S6, with them wanting to conceive a child and with Marshall’s dad dying. I think this season is supposed to be a very emotional, heavy season for Barney and Robin b/c the feelings, the denial, the jealousy, the cheating, the rejection, the secrecy, and Robin’s infertility. In the end, S7 will be a happy ending for them, just like the S6 season finale “Challenge Accepted” was a happy ending for Marshall and Lily, with M/L learning they’re having a baby. I think S7 will conclude with B/R getting back together and with Robin being revealed as the bride. With S6 belonging to M/L and S7 belonging to B/R, I think Season 8 (most likely the last season) will be a very emotional, heavy season for Ted b/c he is still single after all these years and b/c all his friends seem to be settling down in life and he still hasn’t gotten it all figured out…cue the happy ending and Ted meeting the Mother at Barney and Robin’s wedding in the series finale.
49. There are a lot of fans who think that b/c Robin seems like the obvious choice for Barney’s bride, there has to be some kind of twist where we find out that she is not and is just a red herring. I don’t think the writers would do something like that after all the clues they have presented on the show for the past season and a half; it would make them and Narrator Ted bad storytellers. Not everyone who watches the show analyzes each episode as much as some of the fans do, so I think a lot of viewers have overlooked these hints. To me, last year Barney seemed like the most obvious choice for the groom, but still a lot of fans believed that the wedding had to be Punchy’s since he asked Ted to be his best man in S6’s “Glitter.” I knew the groom was Barney even in that same episode b/c Barney was wearing a boutonnière on his suit in the beginning of the episode before Punchy showed up. Also, Ted, Marshall, and Lily all seem to be in the wedding party in the flash forward in S6’s “Big Days;” Barney was missing from this flash forward. If the wedding had been Punchy’s, why would Marshall and Lily be in the wedding party? They don’t know Punchy all that well. In the beginning of that same episode, Barney talks to Ted about how the season of sundresses is over (this is after we see a sign in the flash forward that says, “To Everything there is a Season”). I thought Barney saying the word “season” soon after we saw this flash forward “To Everything there is a Season” sign was a clue the groom was Barney. Barney also seemed to be considering marriage after meeting his father and seeing that he had turned his life around, settled down, and had a family. That seemed like an awful big clue that Barney was the groom. Knowing how the writers approached the groom reveal and all the hints littered throughout the show on the way to this reveal, I think Robin is Barney’s bride. She might be the obvious choice, but I have to believe all these hints are leading somewhere, otherwise why waste the time showing all these hints? Also, considering the writers have never come out and said they presented a clue about who the bride is in these episodes, I think they want to keep what they are doing a secret. This way, fans of the show can go back and re-watch S6 and S7 after Robin is revealed as the bride and realize how many hints pointing to Robin being the bride they may have missed along the way. The writers want to keep this whole bride mystery going until May, so they aren’t about to draw attention to their bride clues.
50. In S7’s “Symphony of Illumination,” Narrator Ted says that Robin went on to become a famous journalist, a businesswoman, and a world traveler, but she never became a mother. Narrator Ted goes on to say Robin also was never alone. I think this can be interpreted as Robin being married to Barney in the future. They just won’t have any children. Barney is rich, loves adventure, speaks multiple foreign languages, and is an international businessman. I think it is in character for him to travel the world with Robin in the future. Robin becomes a businesswoman in the future, which I think may be because of Barney. We know that he loves to have his friends work with him, so of course he would want his wife to go into business with him. It has also never been confirmed that Barney goes on to have children. It’s a possibility that he never does. In addition, Robin never becoming pregnant means that she will never become a manatee; she’ll remain a beautiful mermaid in Barney’s eyes forever (S6’s “The Mermaid Theory”). I think the reveal that Robin can’t have kids is meant to throw viewers off the trail of Robin being the bride. That way in May when she is finally revealed to be Barney’s bride, it will be a surprise to a lot of viewers who thought her inability to have kids would be a deal breaker for Barney. It will also be a surprise to some viewers b/c Narrator Ted only mentioned career-related accomplishments when talking about Robin in the future; he didn’t mention if her never being alone means that she got married or if it means she is just a single career woman who has the support of her friends.
51. In S7’s “Rebound Girl,” Barney tells Ted that he has been thinking about “the whole wife and kids’ thing, minus the wife.” I think it is telling that Barney starts thinking about this after he just got rejected by Robin in the previous episode (an episode in which he saw Robin as his “the One”). Narrator Ted even tries to justify Barney’s actions and adoption talk as Barney’s reaction to going through a tough time and he says that to adopt a baby with Barney would be freaking nuts. I think this shows that Robin is Barney’s first choice; if Barney had to pick between being with Robin and being a father, he’d pick Robin b/c she is his “real thing.” I think Barney was just using the idea of having babies as a rebound/substitute for what he really wants out of life: to be with Robin.
52. In S7’s “Tick Tick Tick,” Barney pictures Robin when Nora’s father says that “When you meet the right person you know it…no one and nothing else can compare.” I think the “no one” who can’t compare to Robin refers to Barney’s other love interests (Nora and any other bride candidates) and the “nothing else” that can’t compare to Robin refers to the idea of having kids or being a single playboy. I think Barney would choose Robin over any desire he might have to be a father; he would much rather be childless and with Robin (the right person / the real thing) than have children with the wrong person.
53. In S7’s “Symphony of Illumination,” Barney sees what it might be like to be a father. He isn’t too impressed with his friend’s life as a father; and, he seems glad to learn he’s not going to be a dad, even busting out some dance moves in happiness over the news. Later in the episode he says to Robin, “Isn’t it weird now that we’re not having one, babies are cute again?” This shows that while Barney might like the vague idea of having kids, he really doesn’t dig the real duties that come along with having them. He’s a great, loving uncle (I’m sure James would agree). He doesn’t need to have kids of his own to experience the fun of being around kids; he can be an awesome uncle free of all the responsibility, something he’d probably be fine with. I don’t believe Barney has a real burning desire to be a dad, nor do I believe he’d choose being a father over being with Robin.
54. What would be the point of Narrator Ted sharing the story of Robin and Don with his kids (and us) if Robin isn’t Barney’s bride or if she remains unattached? The story of Robin and Don is a story of how Robin takes a chance and for once picks love over her career. We see Robin grow as a person in this choice. Failing to give her a committed relationship would render this entire storyline pointless, something the writers wouldn’t want to do. While Robin isn’t a romantic whose been dreaming of her future wedding day all her life, she isn’t totally anti-marriage. In S2’s “Atlantic City,” when Marshall and Lily were getting married on the boat, Ted said to Robin, “I can’t believe you never want to get married,” and she replied, “I never said never.” I think this proves that she is not completely against the idea of getting married someday. Also, by asking Ted to be her future best man in S6’s “False Positive,” and even agreeing to the 40-year deal in S4’s “The Front Porch,” I think Robin is shown to be someone who isn’t opposed to being married someday; she’s becoming increasingly open to the idea. Her inability to have kids wouldn’t keep her from getting married one day. In addition, what purpose would the writers have for Robin asking Ted to be her best man if that request never becomes significant? And, as for that Robin and Ted marriage pact, it has a part to play in Ted confronting his “what if” girls and ruling them out conclusively so he can finally move on and find the woman really meant to be Mrs. Mosby. Robin marrying Barney would be a heck of a good way to finally get Ted to rule her out.
55. In S5’s “The Rough Patch,” Lily tells Ted and Marshall that Barney and Robin are just going through what all relationships go through – a rough patch, but they just need to let it run its course. Later on in the episode Robin tells Barney that “Maybe this isn’t a break-up. Maybe it is two friends getting back together.” Then, as they are leaving the diner, Narrator Ted states, “They really did just need to let things run its course.” So technically this “break up” is just a rough patch in the course of their much longer relationship stretching all the way to 2030 when Ted is telling the story; letting things run their course ultimately leads to an end of the rough patch, bringing B/R back together, to their wedding day and beyond. Also, Ted’s narration is left vague. If Barney and Robin don’t end up together in the end, why not just have future Ted state this once and for all rather than leaving their future relationship open-ended? I also think Barney and Robin were simply not ready at the time to be in a serious relationship. In “Bagpipes,” the episode right before “The Rough Patch,” Lily tells Barney and Robin that “The honeymoon period may be over, but now you can get into the real stuff. And, honestly, that’s the best part.” I think getting into the “real stuff” freaked Barney and Robin out; they thought it was just easier to keep having sex without trying to get to the bottom of their issues through healthy communication. Many of their fights had to do with silly things like Barney’s storm trooper and Barney’s ruined tie. In order for their relationship to work once they get back together, I think all Barney and Robin need to do is communicate better when an issue arises instead of just avoiding it or getting into a fight; they need to learn how to compromise sometimes. This way they can finally get into the “real stuff” instead of running away from it out of fear of trying for something “real” or serious (as in a lifetime commitment). manda600 brought up a good point: “In Bagpipes, Lily said Barney and Robin’s problem was that they needed to compromise and put the other one ahead of their own desires and interests. At the time they laughed, but we’ve seen Barney do this many times now for Robin ([S6’s] “Subway Wars” [and, as admiral_sab added, S5’s “Of Course”]) and Robin do this for Barney ([S7’s] “The Best Man” and [S7’s] “The Stinson Missile Crisis”). They’ve now learned what it is to love one another selflessly and to sacrifice to make the other happy.”
56. In the opening scene of S7’s “Field Trip,” Robin discusses her fear of abandonment with Kevin (in one of her court-mandated therapy sessions). I find it interesting that the writers have given Robin a fear of abandonment when they already write Barney as having the same fear, as seen in multiple episodes throughout the series, such as S5’s “Robots vs. Wrestlers.” I think the writers gave Barney and Robin the same fear of abandonment not only to show how similar these characters are, but also to show that they both need to get over this fear. Getting over this fear would allow them both to really commit to someone while in a relationship without feeling that the other person is going to abandon them. This is probably why they don’t ever get too close to anyone while in relationships as well as why they seem to avoid relationships; they are scared of being hurt. I think if Barney and Robin get married, it will help to ease their fear of abandonment b/c they will now have someone with them in good times and in bad for the rest of their lives. They will never be alone again.
57. Also in the opening scene of S7’s “Field Trip,” Robin tells Kevin she is “constantly looking for reasons not to be happy.” Kevin replies that maybe “the thought of finally being happy terrifies you.” I think this is part of the reason why Robin chose Kevin over Barney in S7’s “Tick Tick Tick.” She knows that being with Barney would make her happier than being with Kevin, but b/c finally obtaining happiness terrifies her, she picks Kevin. I think if Robin can obtain some happiness in life, such as through her career, she may see that being happy isn’t a bad thing. She may stop trying to come up with reasons to not be happy. She will instead try to gain happiness in other parts of her life as well, such as in her love life. I think this is when she will try to get back together with Barney. Being with Barney – the person she is in love with – will finally make her truly happy. She will no longer be scared to try again with Barney. Getting over this issue will also help Robin not feel like such a mess. I think the writers are focusing on Robin’s issues this season as well as the fact that she feels like such a mess b/c they need to resolve these issues if they want Robin to be Barney’s bride. She needs to fix herself first before she is ready to be in such a serious relationship with someone else.
58. I found it interesting in an interview with Carter Bays that when he describes Barney’s character development throughout the series, it all has to do with his relationship with Robin. It is like the writers measure Barney’s character development by his relationship with Robin. This makes me think that Robin is Barney’s bride, especially b/c in the same interview Bays states he never intended for Barney to mature as a character and get married. (Source)
59. Matt Kuhn is a HIMYM writer and also writes for Barney’s blog. After the S7 episode “Symphony of Illumination,” he wrote a blog entry for Barney entitled “Shafted.” In it Barney writes to the International Olympic Canadian Department of Olympics in regard to Robin’s disqualification to participate in the sport of competitive pole vaulting. In the conclusion, Barney says this: “The point is you’d be lucky to have Robin join your Olympic pole vaulting outfit. She’s smart, funny, beautiful, loves cigars, pretends to enjoy laser tag enough… What more could you ever want in a girl? She would bring so much joy to your life. You’d suddenly feel a compulsion to be the best person you could be. Imagine waking up every morning to that smile? And that little half-laugh, half-snort she does when you say something stupid? What I’m trying to say is that Robin is a fantastic pole vaulter.” I think it is interesting that this is written by a writer on the actual show b/c the way he portrays Barney’s feelings for Robin here makes me think that the writers know this pairing is endgame. Matt Kuhn, as a writer for the show, has knowledge of where the show is going that we, the audience, don’t know yet. I think Kuhn knows Barney is marrying Robin. If what Kuhn wrote represents how the rest of the writers imagine Barney’s feelings for Robin, then I don’t think they would let Barney marry anyone else. It just wouldn’t be believable or at all satisfying for Barney to marry some random woman who would just be a Robin substitute, especially if this blog entry expresses how Barney feels about Robin. I know Barney’s blog entry was written during a time on the show where we, as the audience, know Barney wants to be with Robin. However, the way in which this blog is phrased makes it hard for me to believe that anyone who comes into the picture now as a bride candidate could ever compare to Robin in Barney’s eyes. Barney’s bride has to be Robin. (Source)
60. Craig Thomas said this in an interview about the S7 episode “Tick Tick Tick”: “We debated a lot in the writers’ room [about whether Robin should dump Kevin for Barney]. But ultimately, if Robin had jumped to Barney in that episode, for her, it would’ve been a relationship built on a crime. It was such a mistake [sleeping with Barney] and she felt so terrible about it.” This quote makes it seem like it’s not a question ofwhether the writers are going to put Robin and Barney together, but a question of when they’re going to put them together. The writers don’t want Barney and Robin’s new relationship to be built on a crime. If Robin isn’t Barney’s bride, why would it matter if B/R got together right now, even if it is built on a crime? The relationship would have to fail for some reason to make room for Barney’s bride. I think the writers don’t want to start their new relationship this way because they’re the bride and groom. The writers want Barney and Robin to get together based on good circumstances, not on something they both feel awful about, and that might plague their relationship for years. (Source)
61. Craig Thomas said in an interview about the Barney and Robin cab scene in the S6 finale “Challenge Accepted”: “It’s actually one of the best scenes, I think, of season 6. One of my favorites, anyway.” He goes on to say, “But it was really fun shooting the cab scene in the finale cause you’re just reminded that you care so much about the two of them. If you’ve been watching the show all these years, you love the chemistry between the two of them and you care so much. Watching it get shot, I felt like a fan of the show. I felt like, ‘Oh man, I want to see more of that. I want to see more of that chemistry.’ It’s all of a 45-second scene in the back of a cab. Those two are good together. Definitely moved everyone watching it on stage as we shot it.” Craig Thomas has always been quite a big supporter of the Barney and Robin relationship throughout the years. He is one of the creators of the show, so if that cab scene between Barney and Robin is one of his favorite scenes of S6 and watching it get shot made him feel like a fan of the show, then I don’t think he will feel very satisfied with Barney marrying someone other than Robin. If Craig wants to see more of their chemistry together, then I think it only makes sense to put them back together by the end of S7. That way in S8 they can be an actual couple again prior to deciding to move in together and get married, especially if S8 is the show’s last season. Craig also says that if you’re a fan that watched the show all these years, you love the chemistry between those two characters. I think in the end, the writers would want to reward longtime fans who stuck by the show all these years. This reward would come in the form of revealing Robin as Barney’s bride. If the bride is anyone other than Robin, the writers would be rewarding fans who might like Barney with some other bride candidate (an actress who may appear in only a handful of episodes); I can’t see this happening. Also, I always have to think, why would the writers have Barney and Robin admit they loved one another in that S6 cab scene if it wasn’t going to lead somewhere in the end? (Source)
62. Why would the writers even revisit the B/R relationship if they don’t end up together? They could have just left it with them breaking up in S5’s “The Rough Patch.” I mean, they’re already exes, why complicate their friendship more, especially if they’re supposed to remain friends in the future? Now, they’ve cheated with one another, had a pregnancy scare, and are keeping these two things secret from the gang and Robin’s boyfriend, Kevin. If they don’t end up together, why have them go through all of that together? Robin could have found out she was infertile without cheating with Barney, and Barney could have broken up with Nora without cheating with Robin. Instead of focusing all of this time and energy on the B/R relationship, the writers could have been focusing on writing the relationship between Barney and his future bride (if she’s not Robin). But, they went the B/R route, which leads me to believe that the B/R relationship is going somewhere significant, namely to the wedding chapel.
63. The writers don’t seem very invested in writing Barney’s and Robin’s other love interests. Nora was barely on screen in most of the episodes she was in. She didn’t have much of a fleshed out personality. The only personality characteristics I can think of to describe her are nice, motherly, and a romantic. Kevin at least gets to hang out with the group once in a while; Nora never really got to do this. However, as much as Kevin tries to be a part of the group, he never seems totally included, like in S7’s “History vs. Mystery” where he painted M/L’s baby room alone and wasn’t included in the group hug when the sex of the baby was revealed at the end. Even Kal Penn (Kevin) has stated as such: “I would imagine at some point it will not be all smooth sailing for me and Robin. Barney and Robin have long had a chemistry and have a whole backstory and history that probably won’t be able to be ignored forever. [Kevin] likes having a gang, but in the long-run, I think it will probably be unsuccessful for most people to really break into the core group of five (Source).” I don’t think Kevin will ever be truly included into the group and neither will any of Barney’s or Robin’s other love interests. The only person I see becoming a full member of the group’s “little family” is the mother. Therefore, I think Barney and Robin will end up together; that way there aren’t three new members joining the core group, but only one (the mother). There aren’t many episodes left this season in which to really develop a whole new love interest for Barney and to make it believable that she could be the bride, especially after all of the hints about the bride’s identity we’ve been treated to over the past year and a half. I agree with what nomorenoodles said about S7, that “the writers are focusing so much on the main characters. Kevin and Nora just didn’t have the time to be fully established when they’re working on writing the characters we really care about. And a Robin-centric season right before Barney’s bride reveal? It would be crazy for that to be a coincidence.”
WARNING; THIS REPLY CONTAINS HIMYM SPOILERS!
I am still pretty certain that Barney and Robin end up together, and that Robin is the mystery bride. My (tv viewing) logic just says so. Because I honestly don’t believe that any tv show (writers) would spend two whole seasons telling a story of how Barney got married, and make it so much about the Barney/Robin relationship, and then reveal that he actually marries a new girl. Someone whom he’s known only for a year before the wedding. I’m sorry, but Barney does not seem to me the type who gets married to someone whom he’s “just met” basically.
The shows previous history also supports “Robin is the bride” theory. They always break the couple up, and make it look like it’s the end, and everything is so sad, before they get back together and “live happily ever after”. Remember Marshall & Lily? And their summer apart? I’m seeing parallels between Lily following her dreams and the two of them having secrets from each other and all that, and the current Barney/Robin story line with Robin following her dreams and her career blossoming, and the two of them keeping secrets from each other…
TV writers (sadly) always use the same kind of tricks when writing a romance. There is always the one couple who is used as the will they-won’t they couple. On HIMYM that’s Barney/Robin. And it usually doesn’t work out at first, and things get really bad… before they get back good again. As much as I like that this show is very detail oriented and very good at continuity and all that, it’s still a TV show/story, and they still use the same tactics as others, so…
Now about the sneak peeks to Barney’s future wedding. I actually think that the pink dress Lily is wearing could very well be a bridesmaids dress.
Now about the wedding day. I think that just like Lily & Marshall’s wedding, there will be crazy stuff happening on this wedding day, too. And the “tie problem” is not the only issue the bridesmaids/best men have to solve. This could be supported by what Robin said about freaking out and needing the Best Man to get her/them all back on track, when she gets married and that’s why she needs Ted to be the Best Man. And perhaps no one knows that Ted is also Robin’s best man? ha-ha
If the bride is not Robin, but instead someone else (Quinn), then let’s first look at why would Lily be with the bride before she comes to the grooms room to ask the Best Man to go and see the bride? Sure, Lily’s look is “confusing” when she says that, but we don’t know the whole story yet. It all would be much more strange if the Bride is anyone else - why would Lily be there with her, and why would Ted react so calmly and go and see the bride, like “what now?”? To me all the behaviour still supports the idea that the Bride is someone they all know very well.
Sure, we don’t know the story of Quinn yet, but I still don’t believe that she’ll succeed in what no other girlfriend/boyfriend so far has — becoming the sixth member of the little group. And unless she is different than her character description makes her look like, I don’t think she’s a serious candidate for the Bride. Also considering the fact that we will find out the identity of the bride in only 10 episodes after the new character is introduced, even if the wedding takes place actually in the future.
The thing is… I believe that the writers and the show just needs to keep the audience guessing, and confused… until the very last minute. And that’s why everything is done the way it’s done. So many little things we’ve seen, and will see, are there only to confuse us. And keep us guessing. They need to make it look like the options are still there, when in fact there is only one option. Only one answer to the question “Who is the bride?”
To me the little clues: the ones that I’ve posted about, and the ones others have posted about (girl of my dreams/girl of your dreams, etc) are saying that Barney and Robin end up together.
After all — it’s Ted’s story. And he’s a romantic. So he tells the story from his perspective. And I don’t think he’d (the writers) spend so much time on little details about Barney/Robin story if in the end he’d end up together with the new-girl-in-town Quinn, and she’d focus on her career/meet someone else (no I don’t think the guy in the ugly shirt is returning as the actor is not available and they changed that story line and we got Kevin).
Was reading echofades’ awesome recap of her thoughts on Robin’s fantasy in Symphony of Illumination and had some more ideas:
I have another reason for why those details of her fantasy are significant for Barney/Robin: I don’t know how everyone else sees the show, but I have always viewed it as taking place completely inside Future!Ted’s head. All the scenes he was there to witness are his memories unfurling as he speaks to his kids, and all the scenes he wasn’t there to witness are his memories of the mental images he got when the other characters told him about those scenes (probably over beers in MacLaren’s). Yes, it was Robin’s fantasy, but ultimately the entire thing is taking place inside Future!Ted’s head.
So think about it from a logical perspective. Would a guy (especially a guy as gooey and romantic and sentimental as Ted) really be able to tell some story about two of his best friends’ heartrending failed romance with such lovely imagery as a suited-up little blond imaginary son? Remember: we have to assume that at some point between now and 2030, Robin sat down with Ted and confessed that she imagined telling her and Barney’s future kids all about how she met their father. If she didn’t, Ted wouldn’t have been able to tell the story of that episode.
First: It’s improbable (though possible), that Robin, who hates spilling her emotions and is in a really fragile emotional place at the moment, would confess such a silly, fanciful, romantic fantasy to Ted, especially since she’s trying to deny to herself that she’s in love with Barney, and hasn’t even told Ted she is/was pining for Barney this year.
If Robin and Barney are endgame, it’s most likely that Robin confesses her fantasy to Ted at a later point, after she and Barney get together for good, (perhaps even years after). And while we don’t know if he’s describing the fantasy Robin told him about to his kids, or he’s just picturing the fantasy Robin told him about in his head, he probably wouldn’t imagine or describe it in a way that is so heavily skewed towards a Barney/Robin endgame if Barney’s married to someone else and the Barney/Robin relationship has been dead for nineteen years (with HIMYM, you should always use the past tense, not the future or present tense!) But whether Robin confesses her fantasy to Ted before the end of the season, when she’s still unsure whether she and Barney will get together, or after, when they’ve been together for a while, you can bet your ass that Ted (who is sappy like that) would absolutely fucking treasure this little snippet of information as an awesome and amazing sign of Robin’s love for Barney from even before they got together. He’d treasure and squee over every detail she told him about, from the stormtrooper in the background to her fake son’s very blonde hair. He’d probably think it was the most tragic yet romantic thing he’s ever heard of. In any case, if Barney and Robin are endgame, Ted would consider the fantasy something amazing and important and wonderful enough to include (or at least think about in loving detail while telling) the story of why Aunt Robin never became a pole-vaulter.
It’s probably the same reason why he remembers Marshall/Lily in such a fond light (because they’ve been together for thirty-four years at the time of Ted telling the story). And why he remembers season4!Barney’s pining for Robin and the season7!Barney/Robin drama so strongly, and even (probably) why he glosses over the fallout from the Barney/Robin breakup, because when you’re 52 years old, a year-and-a-half-long pause in a lifelong happy relationship (IT WAS A LIFELONG HAPPY RELATIONSHIP, DAMNIT!) that occurred twenty years ago seems like just meaningless filler time.
And so, because Ted is sappy like that, he would of course he would imagine Robin’s fantasy with every little adorable detail intact, rather than as a heartbreaking, devastating, wistful flight of fancy that was all about Robin herself and her personal tragedy of not being able to have kids and had nothing to do with the Barney/Robin pairing, which was a little pipe dream that never happened because Barney married someone else. Because really, if it was a little fantasy that never came true, it doesn’t fit into the larger story. This is not Ted imagining Robin standing at the altar, telling him she used to be a dude. This is not Ted ironically picturing his and Stella’s platinum blonde kids, or his and Jen’s wedding with her dozen cats as bridesmaids. This is way too serious for that.
It’s a stupid thing to have in the story of How We Were All Friends Forever And Everything Turned Out Okay. This isn’t the doomed romance of Sam and Diane. This is the complete opposite. And neither Future!Ted nor the real-life out-of-universe writers of the show are doing good storytelling if they show this Barney/Robin-laden fantasy. The fantasy itself, stripped of Barney-ness? Just as Robin’s hypothetical future kids from a hypothetical father that may be Barney but doesn’t have to be, and doesn’t have to be living with Robin or even a figure in Robin’s life? Yes, that would absolutely be part of the story. Like Marshall’s father dying. It’s a big event in a character’s life, and Ted is telling the story of his friends’ lives just as much as his own. Hell, he spends far more time collectively on his friends’ lives than his own. But this? This isn’t solely Robin’s tragedy, like Marvin’s death was for Marshall. This was a huge revelation about Robin’s mind. Whenever Robin told Ted that she imagined this, it gave him a peek into her mind that he still remembers nineteen years later as important. It’s important because she assumes that if she had kids, she would want a life with Barney. Because of the level of thought that would have to go into realizing that Barney would insist that his future son be suited-up is not solely Robin wondering about kids. She’s wondering about her life with Barney in the future, and it’s hard to see Robin confessing those details of her fantasy to Ted if Barney was married to someone else. And even if she did, I don’t see how such a fantasy would be thought of in such loving and wistful terms by Future!Ted unless he’s still got reason to be distressed that Barney and Robin didn’t get together. Which is just a terrible idea to think about. How I Met Your Mother is not Cheers, dammit.
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While I love your theory and wish so badly it could happen, what about the fact that Robin can’t have kids? We all saw how clearly excited Barney was about becoming a dad. Do you think that could be a setback? :/
Well, we did see him excited about being a dad, but, was I the only one to feel that by the end of the episode, he didn’t really want kids, having seen Insane Dwayne’s life? I mean, he still likes kids and thinks they’re adorable, as he says : Crazy, huh, now that we’re not having one, babies are cute again?
And then, as he meets Dwayne for the second time, he looks at his former best friend in a rather disgusted way, and says : You used to be magnificent. Then, he walks away. We see Robin is the one who looks longingly at that family after Barney leaves.
So no, I do not think that will be a setback. I have always loved the idea that Barney and Robin become the cool uncle and aunt who everyone, especially the kids, loves. I believe that B/R will be endgame, even if Robin can’t have kids.
and I hope my fear (based a little on the interviews the writers have done) that they’re gonna use the babies thing as part of the reason to keep them apart, won’t happen actually.
Okay, so my theory is a little crazy and improbable.
I’m thinking that Robin and Kevin will continue dating until Kevin finds out about that night, whereby they will break up, and by then, Barney will have his eyes on the new love interest.
And through his relationship with Quinn (the new girl - who is not Jess), he will, you know, sort of actually like her, cause apparently, she’s supposed to be a female version of Barney, (which Robin already is, as we all know, so I don’t know what to think about that), but Barney will realize that although Quinn may seem to be the perfect match for him, she isn’t Robin.
No one and nothing else can compare.
And Robin, by now, will know that Barney is the person who will understand her, despite being all messed up and not sure of herself, and he’s never tried to change her, because he’s the only one who has, and will always love her as the person she actually is.
Ted didn’t like that Robin was independent, that she smoked cigars and loved guns. But Barney loved her as she was, the gun-toting and not needy individual, the most awesome person he’s ever known.
So yeah, they’ll both come to the realization that they need each other, and having grown so much the past year or so, they’ll get back together, more awesome than ever. They’ll learn that they just have to be in the relationship their way, without conforming or trying to be like others, learning from the time earlier when they dated.
Gah, I am rambling incessantly again. Sorry.
And thank you! You are kind.
… but I guess in order to realize they’ve made a mistake, they need to make the mistake. Otherwise they won’t know it was a mistake - to not be together.
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Why thank you! And I honestly have no idea at this point, it’s all so screwed up at the moment I just don’t know how I see it all going. I mean we’ve got Quinn coming into the picture soon and Kevin’s still around (do they not realize how messed up it is that Robin’s still with him after cheating on him and thinking she’s pregnant with Barney’s child?! And he’s hanging out having fun with Barney in the next episode?! IT’S WEIRD GUYS.) so I’m not sure how I see Robin and Kevin breaking up. If she hasn’t broken up with him after everything that’s happened, what else is going to push her to do it, lol. Hopefully he’s the one to do it after realizing what happened with her and Barney.
And I have no idea how the Quinn stuff is going to play out. And with the bride mystery.. at this point I kinda feel like Barney/Robin are just being thrown around and used for shock value and to keep the mystery alive instead of being allowed to develop naturally, which kinda throws off any speculation I might have. Because I assume they won’t be together by the end of the season, otherwise revealing her as the bride wouldn’t be a shock, so I’m guessing they won’t get back together for a while yet so that even after the reveal people will wonder how they get there.. and I just have no idea how I see it all going down. IT MAKES MY HEAD HURT. I JUST WANT IT TO BE SIMPLE AND HAVE ROBIN ADMIT SHE WAS SCARED AND DECLARE HER LOVE AND THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER BUT IT WON’T HAPPEN LIKE THAT. SOB.
This is my thoughts summed up in one (long) sentence. I wish I could’ve said it this well:
"I JUST WANT IT TO BE SIMPLE AND HAVE ROBIN ADMIT SHE WAS SCARED AND DECLARE HER LOVE AND THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER BUT IT WON’T HAPPEN LIKE THAT."
also: great point about the surprise moment. They could totally do that! I mean… since I, too, believe that the wedding actually takes place a year later, and the season finale scene is another flash forward moment. So that makes a lot of sense. B/R don’t get back together at the end of season 7 finale. Instead we will see the bride, Robin, and that’s gonna be a huge surprise for normal viewers, who know nothing of spoilers and fan sites and such. And in season 8 we’ll see how they get back together. And then the wedding, and then Ted can finally say “..and that’s how I met your mother” to his kids. When he gets to tell the rest of the story until the wedding day.
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To be honest, I have no idea how they’re gonna do it. I have no idea what the writers have come up with.
I know that somehow someway Robin and Kevin won’t be a couple soon (I’m not buying the producers saying they have plans for the actor/character. Those plans are for the next two episodes. And perhaps a visit some time later, but the actors contract expires. And so does Robin’s and Kevin’s “relationship” - the expiration date is almost here. [I’ll drink — tea — if I’m wrong about this]
I know that Robin is still feeling guilty, messed, up, and many things. And that she’s gonna focus on her career. And that she won’t get back with Barney. I do not know if Barney will find out about the real deal about Robin and “pole vaulting” (that she can’t be the mommy to his kids if he should wish to be a daddy) soon after new years (January episodes) or much much later (May episodes), but I know he will find out.
I know that Barney will meet a female-Barney. And try to move on. But I personally believe that when Nora was one extreme (super sweet and nice), Quinn will be other extreme (super awesome). And two “Barney’s” won’t work out. Whether Barney will realize this on his own, or with some help, I do not know.
I think that the way Barney and Robin will eventually get back together depends a lot on the fact if the writers are actually going to use the idea that Barney wants kids and Robin can’t have them as part of the reason they take a step back. Also I think it depends on Quinn. I need to see Barney/Quinn to decide how I think that’s gonna end, because reading spoilers is one thing, but how they work together is another thing.
Currently I have no definite theories how it might happen. But I think it is very possible that something happens (in Robin’s life - either family or career related) and that the phone call we saw ducky-tie wearing Barney receive in the flash-forward scene in 7x02 at the casino, is somehow related to the news. Either Robin gets a job offering somewhere and Barney realizes he’s about to lose her again. Or there’s an accident. Or Barney finds out Robin pushed him away because she thought he wanted kids and she can’t have them. or something else. That could also fit the Barney/Ted conversation on his wedding day. About the worst tie - the ducky tie. He’s wearing the tie again when he gets the news, and he then chooses between the two, and chooses Robin. Maybe.
I know that the writers will make Barney choose between two people/ties. I think it sucks. Especially after the epiphany Barney had about his best friend, soul mate…
I have no idea how or when they’ll get their timing right, but I believe they will. Hey, maybe it’ll be another wedding? Perhaps Victoria & Klaus’ wedding?!? (if these two actually work out, and he proposes, cause I don’t think that story is over)
So the point of this long and pointless reply is this: I have no idea yet. I think it depends a lot on three things: how will Robin/Kevin end; will Barney find out Robin’s bad news soon and will they use that as a reason to keep them apart, and what’s the Barney/Quinn relationship gonna be like?
I’m sorry I didn’t have anything new to add to my old thoughts.
In s6e1 ted says “I hope it doesn’t rain” and what we discover later to be Barneys wedding. Ted meets the mother at a wedding involving the yellow umbrella!! It could end up raining, the mother pulls out the yellow umbrella and BAM! Mother discovered I know its just theory but still, could be!
I really agree with this, and I hope we see the mother introduced in this way. What do you guys think?
It’s pretty obvious the things are connected. But whether it’s just the fact that it rains that day (and Ted doesn’t even do the rain dance, I think *wink*) or the mother has the yellow umbrella with her or something, and so they meet… we will hopefully find out in May (2012 or 2013)